On Banagher and Other Proverbial Places

Be warned: there's no real point to this blog post except what it says in the title. I like proverbs about places-- I mean, specific places. I've always had a very specific (pleasurable) aesthetic reaction to them.

Why? I think it might be the combination of universality and specificity. A proverb is something that, in a sense, floats free of time and context. It seems to apply to everybody and everywhere. This is a pleasant atmosphere, but the fact that a proverb is tethered to a particular place gives it an added relish.

The most famous place-proverbs are to do with Rome. "Rome wasn't built in a day", "all roads lead to Rome", and (my favourite of all) "when in Rome, do as the Romans do".

I recently learned that this had a Christian origin-- it was something St. Ambrose said to St. Augustine and his mother about feasting on a Saturday, as they did in Rome. I was greatly surprised (and pleased) by this.

The mention of Rome in proverbs gives them a certain grandeur. Personally I am a confirmed Europhobe, for the very good reason that I've had Europe, Europe, Europe rammed down by throats by progressives my entire life. And yet the very name "Rome", even for me, conjures up a (deliciously) vague impression of centuries of history and art and splendour.

I first encountered the proverb "all roads lead to Rome" in a book of proverbs when I was sixteen, and I'm still not sure what it means. It seems to mean different things to everybody. But it has an atmosphere of excitement and of broadening horizons and ever-widening thoroughfares (like the line "where many paths and errands meet" in Tolkien's poem "The Road Goes On and Ever On").

Proverbs that allude to Rome are especially potent, by contrast, in these drizzly and misty British Isles, which have been blissfully cut off from the mainstream of Yerpan history. They let me momentarily indulge in the tawdry glamour of the continent, while reassuring me that we're protected from all that by the silver sea that serves as a moat defensive to a house against the envy of less happier lands.

Of course, not all place-proverbs refer to Rome-- thank God!

"Sussex won't be druv" is a proverb I've encountered in books, although I've never actually heard anyone say it in real life.

Ireland has "that beats Banagher" or "that bangs Banagher". The full version is "that beats Banagher, and Banagher beats the devil." Banagher is a small town in county Offally, in the east of Ireland. (It's been in the news recently because of a tragic accident, and that's what got me thinking of place-proverbs.)

I know this used to be a fairly popular proverb in Ireland, because I've encountered it used in old books. Today it mostly seems remembered because it's the most famous thing about Banagher. Or perhaps because it's such a memorable phrase. But it does make me wonder...why does this inconsequential place get immortalized in a proverb? What does that proverb get remembered?

It seems to be the only Irish place-proverb that's survived. This interesting Irish Times article lists quite a few more, but I've never heard of any of them before. Elsewhere, I found a reference to "fighting like Kilkenny cats", which has sort of survived...at least, most Irish people know that the Kilkenny hurling team are called "the Cats" and many of us vaguely remember the story about two Kilkenny cats that fought each other until only their tails were left.

Donnybrook (an area in Dublin city) has been commemorated in the term "a donnybrook", meaning a fight-- more so in America than Ireland. So that's proverbial, but not a proverb. Another Dublin suburb, Sallynoggin, was frequently invoked in my childhood, during neighbourhood kickabout, when someone would shot: "On the Sallynoggin!" or "on the Sally!". As you can probably guess, it referred to heading the ball. But this isn't really a proverb either.

Having said all that about Irish place-proverbs, I can't think of very many well-known proverbs about places in Britain, either. There's "Sussex won't be druv", which I've never heard actually used, and there's "Carrying coals to Newcastle", which I certainly have heard used on innumerable occasions. What about "sending [somebody] to Coventry?". I actually used this phrase earlier today, but it seems more of a phrase than a proverb. OK, I'm turning to the internet now..

Well, I ran an internet search, and all I really got (aside from carrying coal to Newcastle) were more idioms like "ship-shape and Bristol fashion" or "more front than Brighton". It seems reasonable to insist that a proverb has to be a whole sentence and can't just be a phrase. So maybe Ireland isn't doing so bad after all.

What about America, then? The only one that comes to mind is "Virginia is for lovers", and that's a marketing slogan of very recent provenance. "I'm from Missouri-- show me!" (or its shortened form "I'm from Missouri") possibly qualifies as a proverb. (It's used as a general expression of scepticism. I first came across it in the nineties TV miniseries of The Stand.)

And aside from that, I can't think of anything. Even New York, which is presumably the modern Rome, hasn't given birth to a single proverb that I can think of. (Yes, there's "the city that never sleeps", but that's more of a description.) The internet gives me this one: "A bad day in New York is better than a good day anywhere else." Well, all I can say is I've never come across it until now.

Wait! I've just thought of another one. "How will it play in Peoria?" Originally a showbiz proverb that came to be used more generally, asking how something (a show, a policy, etc.) will be received by Middle America. It's all I actually know about Peoria.

And then there's "Don't call it Frisco", which I suppose counts as a proverb.

Really straining my brains, I can come up with "When Boston sneezes, Maine gets a cold". (I had to check to make sure I'd got it right. I hadn't. I thought it was: "When New England sneezes, America gets a cold.")

I've just done a quick internet search for other American place-proverbs, but I didn't find any that I would consider well-known. "As goes Maine, so goes the nation" rings a bell, but only a faint bell.

So much for Rome, Ireland, Britain, and the good old USA. But what about the rest of the world?

The first city that comes to mind is Jerusalem. Surely there should be a proverb that mentions Jerusalem? But I can't think of any-- although I have a vague sense I'm forgetting an obvious one. C.S. Lewis uses the phrase "Every road out of Jerusalem is a road into Jerusalem"-- or it might be the other way round-- but, though this sounds like it should be a proverb, I'm pretty sure it's not.

I can't think of any proverbs that mention Paris. Lots of phrases, lines from movies, and famous titles. But no proverbs.

And, after much racking of my brains, the only other place proverb I can think of is: "He who would bring home the wealth of the Indies must carry the wealth of the Indies with him." (Which I've always considered a rather stupid proverb.)

So how about it? What am I missing? What place-proverbs do you know and love, or just know?

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Poems I Like: To the Rev. F.D. Maurice by Lord Alfred Tennyson

This has never been one of my all-time favourite poems, or even one of my favourite Tennyson poems, but it's always appealed to me since I originally encountered it in my teens. Some of its lines recur to my mind regularly.

I like that it's such a subdued poem. It's very far from ecstasy, rhapsody, tragedy, or any of the blazing moods of human life. It's an invitation to a friend to visit. That in itself gives it a delicious mellowness. (The easy camaraderie between old friends is one of the most beautiful things in the world-- especially, if I dare say it, the friendship between middle-aged or elderly male friends. Tennyson was forty-four when he wrote this. Rev. Maurice was four years older.)

It's one of two memorable "visiting" poems that I can think of. The other is the sonnet "Lawrence, of virtuous father virtuous son" by John Milton, which is remarkably similar.

Tennyson's relationship with Christianity was complex. He famously wrote that there was "more faith in honest doubt" than in "half the creeds". But his Idylls of the King is shot through with Christian imagery, and he apparently died a good Christian death. Anyway, it's no surprise that his clergyman friend was someone whose orthodoxy was apparently questioned, as the poem suggests-- one of the founders of Christian Socialism, it seems. He seems to have been a very good and pious man, according to his lights.

For all the calm tone and lack of intense emotion in this poem, it frequently brings me to tears (even thinking about it)-- especially the verse that ends: "How to gain, as life advances, valour and charity more and more." The line: "Dear to the man that is dear to God" also moves me.

Some of the flashes of nature poetry in the poem are particularly beautiful, for instance: "Hear the magpie gossip, garrulous under a roof of pine." That garrulous...

At the risk of sounding self-pitying, there's a certain pathos attached to this poem for me, since there are few (if any) hearths that welcome my arrival in the manner that Tennyson's hearth awaited the arrival of Reverend Maurice. My own fault, no doubt.

To The Rev F.D. Maurice

Alfred Lord Tennyson

Come, when no graver cares employ,

Godfather, come and see your boy:
Your presence will be sun in winter,
Making the little one leap for joy,

For, being of that honest few,
Who give the Fiend himself his due,
Should eighty thousand college-councils
Thunder 'Anathema,' friend, at you;

Should all our churchmen foam in spite
At you, so careful of the right,
Yet one lay-hearth would give you welcome
(Take it and come) to the Isle of Wight.

Where, far from noise and smoke of town,
I watch the twilight falling brown
All round a careless-ordered garden
Close to the ridge of a noble down.

You'll have no scandal while you dine,
But honest talk and wholesome wine,
And only hear the magpie gossip
Garrulous under a roof of pine.

For groves of pine on either hand,
To break the blast of winter, stand;
And farther on, the hoary Channel
Tumbles a breaker on chalk and sand;

Where, if below the milky steep
Some ship of battle slowly creep,
And on through zones of light and shadow
Glimmer away to the lonely deep,

We might discuss the Northern sin
Which made a selfish war begin;
Dispute the claims, arrange the chances;
Emperor, Ottoman, which shall win:

Or whether war's avenging rod
Shall lash all Europe into blood;
Till you should turn to dearer matters,
Dear to the man that is dear to God;

How best to help the slender store,
How mend the dwellings, of the poor;
How gain in life, as life advances,
Valour and charity more and more.

Come, Maurice, come: the lawn as yet
Is hoar with rime, or spongy-wet;
But when the wreath of March has blossomed,
Crocus, anemone, violet,

Or later, pay one visit here,
For those are few we hold as dear;
Nor pay but one, but come for many,
Many and many a happy year.

An Email I Just Sent

Hello

I have a very unusual query for you. I was in the Den bar last night. It was a very enjoyable evening and all the staff were wonderful. But something is nagging at me. For hours now I've been trying to remember the advertisements on the wall where I was sitting.

We were sitting in a sort of corner snug between the bar and the staff bathrooms/kitchen (I think). I was facing the wall and I spent a lot of time looking at the decorative advertisements on it. There was an ornamental mirror for some whiskey brewed in Tullamore (I can't remember which, not Tullamore Dew), two advertisements for Mick McQuaid's Plug and Cut Plug tobacco, another advertisement for Quaker Oats...and, above the Quaker Oats advertisement, one for a product I can't remember and that's driving me crazy.

I know this is an odd query but it would be possible to take a look at this corner and tell me what the whiskey advertised on the mirror and the product advertised above the Quaker Oats was?

Many thanks

Maolsheachlann

Update: I got a reply. It was a Fry's chocolate advertisement. (The reply didn't mention what whiskey the mirror was advertising, but I was less curious about that anyway.)

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Whenever a swain made her his target
She said: "Sorry, I'm writing Goblin Market."

The Feast of St. Finbarr

Two saints' day posts in a row!

Today is the feast of St. Finbarr (550-660), who is the patron saint of Cork. He's mentioned in the motto of University College Cork: "Where Finbarr taught, let Munster learn." Which I like because it's both religious and provincial-- literally provincial. (Don't people get tired of everything being about the world, the world, the world, global, global, global, international, international, international?)

Finbarr is also the name I chose for my confirmation name. I chose it entirely because I liked the sound. I didn't know anything about Finbarr. I'm not even confident I knew he was a saint.

 

I had my confirmation (with the rest of my class in school) in Our Lady of Victories church in Glasnevin (a very modern church with a lot of stained glass and which somewhat resembles some alien spaceship). I would have been eleven or twelve. I remember I wore a new cream safari suit, which I had for a considerable time afterwards. I also remember my sponsor (who was my uncle) saying: "A bit of an anti-climax, isn't it?". How edifying!

A confirmation name is a strange thing. You never really use it. I only use mine when I'm using my name and I want to sound pompous (like I have to try, right?), styling myself: "Maolsheachlann Tiernan Finbarr Ó Ceallaigh".

Every now and again I do remember to pray to St. Finbarr, at least in recent years. I'll do so again now. Watch over me, St. Finbarr!

St. Pacificus of San Severino

Today is the feast day of St. Pacificus of San Severino (1653-1721), who was canonised in 1839.

Have you ever heard of him? I haven't.

He went deaf and blind at a relatively young age but still held a position of authority in a monastery and worked miracles.

I suppose his reputation suffers from the fact that there are so many Italian saints.

Anyway, I really like that there are lots of days in the year when the saint of the day is pretty obscure, and there are no special feasts.