I've been reading Fr John Fahy: Radical Republican and Agrarian Activist by Jim Madden, a biography of an Irish Catholic priest who was a political radical.
He was friends with Peadar O'Donnell, one of the most prominent Irish radicals of the twentieth century, and editor of the much-revered (by Irish leftists) Bell journal. It's hard to get a clear picture of O'Donnnell. I read somewhere once that he actually had the rosary said every day in his house, although I can't remember where I read this so I can't verify it.
In any case, the point is this: it's extraordinary that these Irish radicals of the twentieth century lived quite conservative lives, for the most part. Most of them remained married to one spouse and they generally had a respect for religion even when they were anti-clerical. (I treasure the story of Big Jim Larkin, the trade unionists and Comintern Member, who was told by a priest on his death-bed to turn to the Mother of God. "I never did anything else, Father", he said.)
I'm not a very observant person-- sometimes I'm spectacularly unobservant-- but I'm baffled that anyone can miss the historical pattern whereby progressivism turns against everything eventually.
I don't think this is because progressivism is directed by some sort of secretive cabal, whether that be Freemasons, Illuminati, or lizard people. I think it's simply the internal logic of progressivism.
To take an example: during the Troubles, the international left was generally sympathetic to the Catholic and nationalist population of Northern Ireland, since they were cast in the role of oppressed. And progressively-minded nationalists in Ireland sometimes even converted to Catholicism, examples being Maud Gonne and the Labour TD David Thornley. (I don't doubt their sincerity; I'm talking about the historical tides they were swept up in.) But this progressive sympathy to the Catholic-nationalist side didn't imply any esteem towards Catholicism or Irish nationalism in itself.
The "oppressed" category is all that counts for progressives. But this is always changing, both because historical circumstances change and because progressivism needs to find constant new injustices. The very word "progressivism" indicates a progress through different stages.
Progressives can't love anything in itself. I'm talking about progressives in their capacity as progressives. I'm sure individual progressives love their cats and their mothers and their favourite sports teams. But the progressive element in them can only love the oppressed and only love them in their capacity as oppressed-- not for themselves.
Renunciation in itself seems to be a virtue for progressives. "Twenty years ago we thought it was progressive to be such-and-such, but now we realize it's not good enough."
The progressive left is always changing its positions. I can remember when it was against censorship and war, for instance-- where today it cheers on "hate speech" laws and apparently wants to drag us into World War Three. The British and Irish left (including Peadar O'Donnell) strongly opposed European integration at first, whereas today they are its most enthusiastic advocates (apart from some on the far left). I'm sure you could supply your own examples.
I'm not naive enough to think the same thing doesn't happen with conservatives. For instance, American conservatives in the 1960s would have been very pro-Vietnam War, whereas today they're more likely to see it as the first in a series of "forever wars" pushed by the Deep State. I've changed my own opinions on many things, too.
But conservatism in principle seems more attached to tangible, real things-- nation, family, marriage, religions, traditions, the organic web of society with all its imperfections and particularities. For progressives, the fact that something is a tradition is a mark against it (although they can show a fondness for particular traditions, like everybody else. Irish progressives tend to be pro-Irish language...for now, at least).
John Stuart Mill was an unusually honest and self-reflective progressive, as this passage from his autobiography shows: "It occurred to me to put the question directly to myself: "Suppose that all your objects in life were realized; that all the changes in institutions and opinions which you are looking forward to, could be completely effected at this very instant: would this be a great joy and happiness to you?" And an irrepressible self-consciousness distinctly answered, "No!" At this my heart sank within me: the whole foundation on which my life was constructed fell down. All my happiness was to have been found in the continual pursuit of this end. The end had ceased to charm, and how could there ever again be any interest in the means? I seemed to have nothing left to live for."
(Mill's breakdown was cured by reading the poetry of Wordsworth. But, of course, neither liberals nor conservatives read poetry today, so that balm is no longer available. Poetry would be a way out of such relentlessly goal-oriented thinking, since poetry teaches us to love things for their own sake, contemplatively, timelessly, freed from the "what-next" urgency of plot or reasoning. This is why I pleaded with conservatives for so long to care about poetry-- but I've given up that fight as futile.)
I love the scene in the Stephen Spielberg film Munich where the French patriarch of a radical family (who are selling intelligence to the Mossad agents) turns on his own children with this diatribe: "In my despair I fathered madmen who dress like factory workers but never do manual labor, who read nonsense and spout pompous bull**** about Algerians and, and who love nothing, not Algerians or French or flesh and blood or anything living. [to Louis, pointedly]: So I have sympathy for a man who can say "I have a papa." "
(To go a bit off-topic, but not entirely, I also love this speech from the film, delivered by a Palestinian terrorist who thinks who is speaking to a member of the Baader-Meinhoff Gang, but who is actually speaking to a Mossad agent: "You don't know what it is not to have a home. That's why you European reds don't get it. You say it's nothing, but you have a home to come back to. ETA, ANC, IRA, PLO -- we all pretend we care about your "International revolution." But we don't care. We want to be nations. Home is everything.")
Well, I didn't expect this post to be as long as it's turned out to be. I've often tried to make this argument with progressives, by saying: "Twenty years ago you would have considered this [whatever woke madness we happen to be talking about] crazy". But it seems to have no effect.
Incidentally, this subject reminds me of the greatness of Edmund Burke, who supported the American Revolution and staunchly opposed the French Revolution, seeing that they were two very different things in their essences. Would that we all had such discernment!
My favourite Spielberg film. Pretty even handed. Robert Fisk thought it superb, and he would have known.
ReplyDeleteYou're the only person I know (insofar as I know you!) who shares my enthusiasm for it. I saw it in the cinema and was very impressed then. It's only grown on me over subsequent viewings. Like all good art it transcends its immediate context.
DeleteI love it! Saw it when it came out. I think Eric Bana is outstanding in it. When I visited Munich some years back, I went to the Olympic village and the building, which is on Connolly Strasse, named after James. They’re now private apartments; must be strange to live there.
ReplyDeleteThe Irish athlete Fanahan McSweeney was apparently the first person to indicate to the news media that something was happening.
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Yes, Eric Bana is wonderful in the film. I usually don't care about acting performances but his is amazing.
In spite of my love of the film, I have yet to read the Jonas book “Vengeance” on which it’s based, and according to official sources is baloney. Maybe that’s why I don’t want to read it!
ReplyDeleteEven if it is, I think the underlying themes are valid.
DeleteLast comment on it: there was a 1986 TV movie based on the book called 'Sword of Gideon'. I've seen bits of it, as it was on YouTube at one point. Similar structure to 'Munich' from what I saw.
ReplyDeleteI'll look for that, thanks!
DeleteYou reminded me of a photo I saw in book published in 2000 marking the Jubilee of Christianity, some Quaker ladies outside the Whitehouse holding very respectable anti-Vietnam placards and looking Jaqueline Kennedy-stylish among the maxidresses. Their profession being traditionally opposed to all military intervention, it's an indication that not all anti-war protesters are entirely on one page.
ReplyDeleteWell, yes, that's true, but at the same time, I wonder if there are any Quakers left today so haven't morphed into generic progressives? I think they were well on their way by the time of that picture!
DeleteI think the Troubles actually indicates a clear example of where being concerned about oppression can go wrong. Obviously the English were oppressive and committed massacres against the Irish nationalists in occupied Ireland, however many of the extreme actions of the Troubles were still unjustified, even if Irish Nationalism is good. I hardly think Pearse would have approved of the Troubles. The Easter Rising had a plan for how to succeed and struck while England was dealing with a different threat - it could have succeeded if the IRB didn't back out at the last minute. I am not sure how the Troubles would have ever actually achieved a political goal. Progressivism tends to justify any action done by the oppressed group and that is a dangerous route since it threatens to turn the oppressed into the oppressor. The Republic notably did not try to undo many oppression of the past. Saint Patrick's is still Church of Ireland.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, the Troubles were unjustified. All the killings and maimings by the IRA, INLA, and loyalist terrorist groups were murders and atrocities plain and simple, in my view.
DeleteMinor point, but the IRB didn't back out of the Rising at the last minute-- it was Eoin MacNeill of the Irish Volunteers (which they had infilitrated) who countermanded it. Actually I'm not sure the Rising could have succeeded even if the original plans had gone ahead. It's hard to believe the rebels could have beaten the British in a pitched battle rather than a guerilla war.
I agree with you, Pearse and most of the 1916 leadership would have been horrified by the Provisional IRA. I'm not sure about Thomas Clarke, though.
You're right I mixed up the volunteers and IRB. It is true that there are a couple of the early leaders who were more radical, this the Irish Civil War. I still think Pearse's death may have been the worst thing to happen to the infant Irish state. It compromised the revival of Irish and destroyed someone who had a very clear vision of what the Irish state should be.
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